4A-EG Trigger
These have a potential market for Corolla (AE86 and newer) and MR2. These engines are used in Mk1&Mk2 Ford Escorts as they are the same as the Cosworth BDA engine.
Some decent scope traces.
two ways I would do it
1) use is in 'coil type trigger' mode any only use the G signal. Apparently this is not enough even for wasted spark (just distributor).
OR
2) grind off one of the teeth on on the 24 tooth wheel and run 24-1 and only use Ne signal
3) use both signals as is (Ne as primary trigger, G as secondary trigger), and make some firmware modifications
[PhatBob] What sort of modifications? I still cannot see how we'd know where 'home' is without a missing tooth pulse.
Sounds like a simple setup:
- LM1815 for primary trigger
- LM1815 for secondary trigger
This way we get a similar crank and crank-signal pulses to the processor as the HALL signal of the mazda-BP engine (eg. MembersPage/Fero ) has by default (without LM1815 of course).
Any info about the position of primary trigger falling edge ? If it's >50 crankdegrees BTDC, than it is supported without any firmware modification.
Information on the Toyota 4a-eg timing system - distributor driven.
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h23.pdf
Here's a diagram of the type of trigger found in European and JDM Toyota 4A-EG engines.
In its simplest form we can use the G trigger and set VEMS as a coil type ignition
For batch fire and wasted spark we can grind teeth from the Ne trigger.
The signals are generated from the distributor, which means that the 24 tooth wheel runs at 1/2 engine speed. Therefore we'll have to grind 2 teeth off the Ne trigger 180 degrees apart.
To make a fully sequential system we can grind three teeth from the G trigger.
== Config - Coil type ==\n
# config using primary multitooth wheel only # still using distributor based ignition, or wasted spark ignition # depends on igchmax and h[2] table # CAMSYNC ##################################################################### cam_sync_f_edge_phase=FF cam_sync_r_edge_phase=FF reset_engphase_after=FF ## trigger and tooth wheel setup ################################################### # tooth wheel, angular width of tooth # For Toyota fitment we have a 24 tooth wheel revolving at 1/2 engine speed # Two teeth must be ground 180degrees apart 360 / 12 = 30 (0x1E) tooth_wheel_twidth1=1E # tooth wheel, angular width of missing tooth # 12 - 1 wheel, 2 times tooth_wheel_twidth1 = 60 degrees (0x3C) tooth_wheel_twidth2=3C tooth_wheel=0B # 11 teeth between the missing tooth # trigger1, bit0 0:falling/1:rising, bit1 0:toothwheel/1:coil, bit2 0:no filtering/1:filtering # Toyota G trigger: primary_trigger=FE primary_trigger=FE # trigger2, bit0 0:falling/1:rising, bit1 0:toothwheel/1:coil, bit2 0:no filtering/1:filtering #disable camsync use multitooth wheel on primairy trigger only secondary_trigger=02 # tooth wheel, active trigger tooth # after the missing tooth (00: right after missing tooth) # so that trigger tooth is ~60 degrees BTDC # Toyota with its 30 degree tooth width = 1 trigger_tooth=01 # The amount of degrees after the trigger till tdc ign_tdcdelay=3C # 60 degrees # you probably want 4 trigger event per cam rotation with the 2x 12-1 wheels you will have to trigger twice per # crank rotation, that what another trigger tooth is for, trigger again after 6 teeth (180 crank rot) another_trigger_tooth=6 crank_minper=50 # for std. coil tach signal ## Ignition setup # crank advance = 10 degrees ign_crank_advance=2E # EDIS:0x0? dummy: 0x7? disable:0xff bit0: invertout ign_out=70 # i assume it is a 4 cyl ? ignchmax=03
Config - Batch type
Using a modified Ne Signal cam-wheel
The modified wheel acts like a 12-1 crankwheel. How did you decide on cutting 2 teeth ? As you are probably aware, 24-1 camwheel would also work. Advantage of 24-1 is the possibility of direct-fire ignition (COP instead of wasted spark), disadvantage is 0.5 more crank rotation on average to get sync at startup cranking (1 more crank revolutions worstcase).\n
# config using primary multitooth wheel only # still using distributor based ignition, or wasted spark ignition # depends on igchmax and h[2] table # CAMSYNC ##################################################################### cam_sync_f_edge_phase=FF cam_sync_r_edge_phase=FF reset_engphase_after=FF ## trigger and tooth wheel setup ################################################### # tooth wheel, angular width of tooth # For Toyota fitment we have a 24 tooth wheel revolving at 1/2 engine speed # Two teeth must be ground 180degrees apart 360 / 12 = 30 (0x1E) tooth_wheel_twidth1=1E # tooth wheel, angular width of missing tooth # 12 - 1 wheel, 2 times tooth_wheel_twidth1 = 60 degrees (0x3C) tooth_wheel_twidth2=3C tooth_wheel=0B # 11 teeth between the missing tooth # trigger1, bit0 0:falling/1:rising, bit1 0:toothwheel/1:coil, bit2 0:no filtering/1:filtering # Toyota modified Ne: primary_trigger=01 primary_trigger=01 # trigger2, bit0 0:falling/1:rising, bit1 0:toothwheel/1:coil, bit2 0:no filtering/1:filtering #disable camsync use multitooth wheel on primairy trigger only secondary_trigger=02 # tooth wheel, active trigger tooth # after the missing tooth (00: right after missing tooth) # so that trigger tooth is ~60 degrees BTDC # Toyota with its 30 degree tooth width = 1 trigger_tooth=01 # The amount of degrees after the trigger till tdc ign_tdcdelay=3C # 60 degrees # you probably want 4 trigger event per cam rotation with the 2x 12-1 wheels you will have to trigger twice per # crank rotation, that what another trigger tooth is for, trigger again after 6 teeth (180 crank rot) another_trigger_tooth=6 crank_minper=50 # for std. coil tach signal ## Ignition setup # crank advance = 10 degrees ign_crank_advance=2E # EDIS:0x0? dummy: 0x7? disable:0xff bit0: invertout ign_out=70 # i assume it is a 4 cyl ? ignchmax=03 # When setting up up timing # keep mda28 fixed at 10 degrees # then adjust ing_tdc_delay until the timing is at 10 degrees during cranking
Config Notes
When setting up up timing keep mda28 fixed at 10 degrees
Adjust ign_tdc_delay until the timing is at 10 degrees during cranking as verified by a timing light.
Later Trigger types
Toyota have developed sensors for their later engines (such as found on MembersPage/DanielHenriksson page). These use either a single tooth G trigger:
Or a twin tooth G trigger:
