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- PatrikGolf/Config
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- Boost Control http://www.vemssupport.com/forum/index.php?topic=2123.0
Golf Cl 91- Engine AGG 2.0 8v write-up
MORE TO COME
- ECU v3.6 2+6 Pre-built V3harness
Engine setup
- Ported polished head Heavy skimmed
- Headers
- Catcams 266
- Catcams adjustable Cam sprocet CCR3232
- 1.8t injectors # 0280156061 317cc @ 3bar
- E85
- 16v fuelpump
Sensors
some stock sensors from 97 mk3 Gti
- MAT (G72)# 028 906 081 - Changed to VEMS MAT sensor
- Coolant (G62)# 357 919 501A - Changed to OEM Golf Blue 2 pin sensor
- knocksensor Volvo 940 # 0 261 231 006 Not configurated
- primtrig: HALL (G28) # 037906433A 60-2 OEM wheel
- HALL +5V supply from EC36/pin28
- Stock throttle body (J338) PIN 4-5&7(see picture) (using Vems builtin idle)
- Wideband LSU4.2
- fuelpump Trigger OEM Fusebox relay G1/03
Ignition
Wasted spark Coil- Bosch motorsport # 221 503 407
ECU wiring
PIN Outs 2 + 6
Hallsensor G28
TPS J338
MAT G72
Coolant G62
Tachmod golf Mk2 - 2x1N4007 Diod
ENGINE
+5V supply for BT RS232 adapter
- measure your RS232 DSUB9 female on v3harness between pin9 and pin5
- It is better to use DSUB9/pin9 for +5V than the USB (USB connectors are rather fragile)
- Q Added +5v to DSUB9/pin9
- but when android connects, fuel pump is turned on and will not stop
- +5V from where ? EC36/28 ?
- is the DSUB9/pin5 GND connected from EC18/17 ? NO, Connected to main ground like prebuilt harness, as before I added +5v. I did measure, EC18/17 is internally connected in ECU to EC36/26. Should i change ground to EC18/17 pin?
- Can you measure with DVM that EC18/17 is internally connected in ECU to EC36/26 ? (been the standard for quite some time, but if the ECU has dual WBO2, or an old ECU, then EC18/17 is not grounded internally so GND connection from EC36/26 must be maintained externally)
- Do you have some other +5V source to try? (eg. a wired-in 12V=>5V regulator, or cut the USB cable from a failed mouse, find GND and +5V, take care of polarity, and supply from a cigarlighter USB socket)
- fuel pump is turned on when pulses detected on EC36/pin26 primary trigger.
- for VR sensor (depending on LM1815 adaptive threshold setup), even low amplitude (eg. 140mV to allow starting in winter with depleted battery) pulses can trigger.
- however, for HALL (which provides <0.5V and >4V signal), much larger swings needed, and definitely grounds should be checked
- just the android serial stream should NOT cause fuel pump to turn on, so definitely find some GND or +5V disturbance to HALL sensor.
- Although normally should not be needed, might help: an added 47uF or 100uF (min 10V but rather 16V or 25V electrolitic) capacitor in DSUB9 housing between DSUB9/pin5 (-) and DSUB9/pin9 (+5V), take care of polarity
A)YES +5v from EC36/28
NO, Connected to main ground like prebuilt harness, as before I added +5v.
- I did measure, EC18/17 is internally connected in ECU to EC36/26.
- Should I change DSUB9 ground to EC18/17 pin?
- theoretically RS232 GND should be fine either EC36/26 or EC18/17 (as they are confirmed connected inside the ECU)
ECU ground Should be OK?
What if you make a DSUB9 connection to the notebook with ONLY DSUB9/pin5 GND ? (no pin2/pin3 communications).
- Does the notebook disturb the engine GND even than ?
- what if notebook is powered from battery, not the mains ?
- sounds like the notebook ground injects surprising level of noise into the engine GND (or perhaps into +5V or HALL signal, but that is less likely)
- does the engine have any other connection to mains ? Like a charger attached ? ("ground loop")
- do you have scope to measure these ?
- I did notice I have a bad battery, measured 10,66 volt only, might be causing the problem? buying a new and report back later going away for 1,5 weeks
- Round EAe-52 with missing parts? 1 serial plug + battpower i think
NEW Engine Setup 2020/2021 16v Turbo
- Q
- Can someone confirm these are the right Trigger input settings for VAG 60-2 Oem trigger wheel or tell me what to Input Hallsensor at tooth 14 when Engine in Topp cyl 1
A
- If TDC cyl1 = tooth14, than first trigger tooth = 4, tdc after the trigger = 60 -> 60 / 6 = 10 teeth + 4 teeth = TDC cyl1
Q
- So I can use Vems Default 4cyl_60-2 setup with this VAG trigger in picture?
A
- Please apply the setting as suggested: "first trigger tooth = 4, tdc after the trigger = 60"
- Than after rebooting the ecu first (power cycle through ignition), take a triggerlog in format 8-10 seconds cranking without IGN and INJ fuse and sparkplugs mounted (so compression cycles can be seen).
- upload the triggerlog to your FileArea and link it here so i can review. we'll work from there.
Best regards, Dave
A
Triggerlog without sparkplugs
http://www.vems.hu/files/PatrikGolf/v3.3_u010379-2020-09-21-15.44.36.triggerlog
Triggerlog with sparkplugs
http://www.vems.hu/files/PatrikGolf/v3.3_u010379-2020-09-21-16.03.00.triggerlog
A
- I have reviewed your triggerlog: v3.3_u010379-2020-09-21-16.03.00.triggerlog (with sparkplugs). Looking very good, spark position appears to be in the right spot ~tdc.
- you should be ready to start the engine now and proceed to tuning after fine tune (and double check) of tdc after the trigger with strobe light.
Best regards, Dave
A
- thank you for The support. It worked with Defult VAG 60-2 setting
