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s2central or sjmautotechnik talks about differences between AAN and 3B. (TODO: find the link).
- fuel pressure
- AAN FP=4bar
- 3B FP=3.5bar
That means sqrt(4/3.5) = 1.07, so 3B injectors flow 7 percent less, therefore require req_fuel of 7% more. (also roughly 7% more cranking pulsewidth).
Cranking pulsewidths (cwl/cwh, in msec)
- Jorgen's AAN config had 15/12 msec
- I doubt that this is tuned properly. I suscpect he just started the engine at CLT~20C with appr 13.6 msec pulsewidth and left there
- Marcell started both AAN and 3B with 17/11 msec. Cold-start was reasonable. Warm-start not so good
- Teppo and MembersPage/MiskaPeippo suggests it is drowned from too much fuel, "hell of a lot", "I think I've used ~2ms or so ... with factory injectors ... alternate mode"
- in one of their configs, 2.2/1.6 msec is used in batch mode (during cranking, thus alternate=14), req_fuel=4.5 msec and VE=77 (for RPM=3000, MAP=100kPa), thus 3.47 msec. These must be big injectors !
- someone used 5/1.5 msec in batch mode (during cranking, thus alternate=14), but that was with req_fuel=4.2msec and VE=83 (for RPM=3000, MAP=100kPa), thus 3.49 msec. These must be big injectors !
- so, for AAN with req_fuel=7.5msec and VE=109 (for RPM=3000, MAP=100kPa), thus 8.18 msec
- 16/6 msec might be a good next setting to try (in alternate mode). Or ... maybe lower PW in batch mode would be the way to go.
- so, for 3B with req_fuel=8msec and VE=109 (for RPM=3000, MAP=100kPa), thus 8.72 msec
- 17/7 msec might be a good next setting to try (in alternate mode). Or ... maybe lower PW in batch mode would be the way to go.
Injector size
Brave men do like this: in audi 5cyl 20vt thmb rule: cc/per injector = max power in hp. 440cc = 440 HP
I think it's brave. But with tuned boostcontrol it can be tried. If going up slowly, one will know when running out of injectors flowrate.
I think there is an error on http://www.rceng.com/technical.htm they swapped the BSFC for turbo and supercharged. Turbo is better (lower). Below I calculate with BSFC(gasoline)=0.55l / (HP * l), consistent with some other sources.
examples
- For factory 220 Hp 220 * 0.55 / (5*0.8) * 10.5 = 317cc/min (they used 350cc/min)
- Teppo Kalske used to have 460cc with wich ended up 100% dc at 5000 rpm with reasonable afr (580Nm/3800, 440hp/6800). Prolly maxed out near 400 HP:
- for 400 HP, even with 100% duty: 400 * 0.55 / (5*1) * 10.5 = 462 cc/min needed
- <Jorgen__> It's recommended but not needed.
- or in other words 360 * 0.55 / (5*1) * 10.5 = 415 cc/min (enough for 360 HP) is enough to start with but will not get max power
- 420 HP with 80% duty and pessimistic BSFC=0.63: 420* 0.63 / (5*0.8)* 10.5 = 694.58 cc/min (so the 599cc/min@3bar injectors are enough for this engine)
Safe injector sizing
If purchasing new injectors, it is best to have it sized high enough to be enough for sure, for the times to come.
The injector sizing should be rather 420 HP with K26/27 turbo (even if we'll more likely get only 370 HP).
- emil recommends [L107FM] to most people, except the insane ones. Static Flow Rate: 60 lb/hr @ 43.5PSI (300kPa) = 630cc/min (price: 5 * $55 USD+shipping). I purchased 5 of these L107FM injectors
- Wide angle spray pattern (is that good?)
- [old Bosch-style Siemens injector] has Static Flow Rate (GAS): 57 lb/hr @ 43.5PSI (300kPa) = 599cc/hr
- Pencil beam spray pattern (is that good?)
- this Bosch-style injector has MUCH wider body than the slim L107FM. Also, 1mm longer! (that should not cause a problem, right?)
- Price is slightly higher: 5 * $57.49 USD + shipping
- both injectors sit in 14mm drill, and have AMP connector.
Fuel Pump
Kalske's hints in this case is to use 044 pump in PnP install inside fuel tank
- 895201531A strainer
- 895201779H reservoir mount
- N 90330701 banjo union
- N 0138128 seal: 2 pieces needed
- N 0110691 domed cap nut
- I got a 130 EUR quote for above parts, I think that's a bit too high. But my mechanic did a good job, installed the fuelpump in the tank with some improvisation
First two are the most important ones, they are used fitting the pump in place of the original one. Banjo, seals and nut are used for fuel line connection.
It is weird that banjo is used inside the tank, for the fuel pressure line. Doesn't the 90 degree break obstruct the flow ?
- avtoshop (Russian) drawing (for the factory pump? the domed cap nut seems different):
Fuel pressure sensor
Currently not installed. Would be nice though. Not sure what is a good place to install it on 3B engine. Obviously, before FPR. But I just don't like the idea of messing around fuel tubes.