UPDATE:
DATE: 23 August
I have just wired up the crankshaft position sensor (CKP), and while watching the "Primary Trigger Settings" I can not find an N-3 in the missing tooth option.
I have counted it many times, but it is still 12-3 type
What do you say, could I resolve it?
Date: 12 august
So I am going to write down all the information, I collected so far, using my notes.
- Starter motor: R=0,3 Ohm (stock fuse is 30A)
- Crankshaft Position Sensor (CKP):
- 9 tooth, 3 missing
- I measured the resistance in both direction, and it is the same: R=234 Ohm (so it's a VR type???)
- Spark Plug:
- type: NGK IR SIMR 8A9
- Injector:
- 0660 52219 | FBBJF
- Resistance: R=12,4 Ohm -->HIGH-Z flyback needed
- Sensor Unit (on throttle body):
- 5pin
- Pin1: MAP out
- Pin2: TPS out
- Pin3: SG (sensor ground)
- Pin4: VCC (+5V)
- Pin5: IAT out (NTC type)
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3aVOJowc-6ndW5rSUVFR21GOFk
- IACV(idle air control valve):
- 4pin
- stepper motor
- Pin1-Pin4: R=110Ohm
- Pin2-Pin3: R=110Ohm
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3aVOJowc-6nRVExOEtiTTNxZU0
- ECT:
- 3pin
- temperature could be measured between the upper two pins
- VS sensor:
- integrated into the motorblock
- 3-way connector
- Hall-effect type
Parts, we have already ordered from vems shop:
- 1x EC18 connector
- 1x EC36 connector
- 1x VAG COP connector
- 1x LSU4.9 WBO2 sensor with connector
- 3x small switchover relay 12V 20A (Hella)
VEMS pinout in table (hungarian)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3aVOJowc-6nMk5HUXQ4U1ZoSTA
FUSES:
- starter motor: 30A
- fuel pump relay: 20A
- LSU 4.9 (5A)
- between ignition switch and engine stop switch: 10A
- EC36 pin25 (VEMS +12V): 3A
COP pinout:
- 1 - VSS (+12V)
- 2 - Signal GND
- 3 - Ignition pulse from ECU
- 4 - GND
LCD:
- Mechatromotive RCD through AIM protocol
And finally, our options, when ordered VEMS ECU:
Question Nr.1: I heard, that some injector require dashed signal, some require continous signal from ECU. How do I know, which is correct in our case?
Question Nr.2: Which type of diode should be used with the relays?
Preparing VEMS v3.x install;
- VEMS ECU is equipped with 2nd RS232 on flying loom DSUB9 male.
- most useful for 2nd RS232 => AIM data => external CAN interface (for dash, or logger; not for BMW S65 or S65 smart CAN, those use the v3 internal CAN interface)
- or v3 <= 24 extra analog input channels (on top of internal 8+8)
- or special purpose RS485 master or slave (used in powerplants, probably not in this case)
- Please be careful: do NOT accidentally plug LCD into 2nd RS232
08.05.
So now we are on the way, to build up our bike. Some VEMS parts like EC connectors, WBO2 (LSU4.9) sensor and some relays had arrived. have already tested the TPS and IAT sensors with DMM, also tested the IACV, which is a 4pin stepper motor (R=110 Ohm).
Successfully bought a Coil On Plug transformator, which fits well to the engine block.
We are also planning to use a Mechatromotive Racing LCD, which communicates through AIM with VEMS.
Question nr.1: measured the resistance between the 2 CKP sensor outputs, the resistance is the same in both direction, 236 Ohm, so it is a VR type. Please, confirm, if I think well.
Other questions, not very important, only for future improvements:
- does VEMS know, how to handle CAN systems?
- for quickshift/shiftcut, which sensor do you prefer?
So the questions are:
- EGT-input: would you use it in a motocycle?
- Exhaust quantity is much smaller than on other engines. Maybe the 2mm EGT ?
- Injector: which flyback type do you recommend?
- measure injector resistance
- MAP-sensor: we have an external (Keihin) sensor unit, which includes MAP... if MAP sensor signal is between 0-5V => offboard
- Mounting type: what are the other options(no-screws; screws; unspecified) mean in real life?
- choose default or flanged (easiest mounting. The others are for compatibility with old installs)
- VR sensor is the same as inductive sensor (or type of)?
- yes, just "inductive sensor" is a poor name that should never be used (because HALL sensor also measures magnetic induction B, unit=milliTesla). measure resistance in both direction
- SD card is for datalogging.
- alternative option is logging via external tool (PC, notebook, or controller) The logger can be directly connected, or via radio (eg. wifi or BT or special protocol).
- for future improvements: can VEMS handle fast switch
- you mean sudden power supply shutdown ? Careful installation is needed of course. Eg. powerful (max 18V) unidir transient diode should be applied externally. VEMS supply voltage can be +9V or even +7.5V (=> helps power consumption if made with SMPS, and more protection against offensive flyback from inductors like injector(s)).
- maybe you mean "SHIFTCUT" (by "fast switch") ? [Shiftcut] is supported.
- or start electronics?
- yes, if engine is rotating it can be controlled
I would like to use oil temperature and oil pressure sensors:
I found these ones suitable (for pressure):
- http://shop.vems.hu/catalog/differential-pressure-sensor-p-127.html
- https://shop.vems.hu/catalog/pressure-sensor-p-100.html
For temperature, what do you prefer/offer?
I am thinking about using a VW Bora 1.8T ignition transformer (stock number: 715459 0040102043), but I need a 10mm shorter one.
Do you think is it okay to use this on a motobike engine or use some CDI driver? Or what do you recommend?
VEMS supports shiftcut, yes. Input can be shared with launch, or separate (or when launch is not used => of course "separate").
We are building a custom bike, with a Honda CBR250R (2015) engine (1 cyl, 250ccm).
| 1-wire interface | not needed |
| EGT-input (exhaust gas-temp. input) | maybe yes, but not essential |
| ETC BridgeOutput Interface | no need, we have manual gas control (with bowden) |
| Flyback type | still do not have certain information, just the type of the injector (Keihin 0660 52219 FBBJF). Still no DVM to measure resistance ? |
| Hi-side PFET outputs | no |
| Ignition driver | yes, 2+6 (cost-effective and the most suitable for one cylinder) |
| Knock input channels | no |
| LCD connection | yes |
| MAP connection | offboard. We have a Keihin sensor unit (with 5-pin connector) for that, still don't have a datasheet, just serial numbers: 5318A (includes MAP sensor, IAT sensor, TP sensor) |
| Mounting-style | flanged case is good |
| Primary trigger | VR (I have found the stock trigger as inductive, then it is suitable, isn't it?) 12 toothplaces, 3 missing |
| Secondary trigger | no, we don't have camshaft position sensor |
| Special request | now, we have just initial questions, so we have not got any request |
| With SD card | "removable" is removable, to plug in another card in 3 sec, or for quicker download data to PC |