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VEMS install on '''90 degree V2 engine''' The engine started '''please upload that config'''. However, the engine does not start easily (it should, because this is a motorbike). Needs more investigation. '''Triggerlog needed''' - upload the triggerlog * with both rising and falling edge for HALL primary trigger * if both crank and camsync are HALL than this is 2*2=4 combinations The '''triggerlog is important''' to see distance between primary trigger and secondary trigger. If they are too close, than sometimes the sectrig will come before, sometimes after the given primtrig pulse => the engine will start hard, misfire at certain revs or transients, or not work at all. '''90 degree V2 overview''' * same as an 8cyl, just 6 cylinders are missing * honda vtr sp2.V90 * ecu: VEMS v3 firmware 1.1.81 serial no:3410. * angle between cylinders is: 315 and 405 crankdeg (360-45, 360+45) ** gyújtás 90 fokra egymástól 1-2 és henger szinte biztos NEM igaz ! * factory ignadv 15 crankdeg * intake valve opens 20 crankdeg BTDC ---- '''Trigger almost 24+1 type (c024 pattern in triggerplay)''' - originally 2-tooth cam CONVERTED to 1 tooth * 12 tooth on crank ** originally VR, but changed to HALL on this engine ? * toothlength=5.8mm (mechanically) * * trigger timing: '''Pattern:''' * cyl1 TDC ** "a camsync jel az 1 es henger felso holtpont után 6 fötengely fokra van" * 6 crankdeg distance * '''camsync pulse''' (between 2 crankteeth) ** ??? degrees (15 is best, 10-20 can be acceptable) ** '''We want to help by verifying this, that is why the triggerlog is required''' ** '''we assume 15 crankdeg distance here''' * '''crankpulse0''' * cyl2 TDC cyl_1 ** assumed 450 deg after cyl1 TDC, '''assuming 429 deg after crankpulse0''' (429=450-15-6) ** if in actuality 270 (it was not specified clearly), than ign output must be brought down 1 entry in the table '''Proposed config''' * toothwidth=30 deg * next trigger tooth=3 * trigger tooth =0 (which is 0 deg) * TDC after the trigger: 69 deg * with above settings, TDC points come 69 + N *90 deg after crankpulse0 ** the existing cylinder cyl2 is at 69 + '''4'''*90 (=429) ** the existing cylinder cyl1 is at 69 + '''7'''*90 (=699) http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/HondaV2/v3.3_u001212-A-2011.03.16-17.54.52.vemscfg '''Cam sync with 2 pulses''' - and 2 VR sensors * cyl1 BDC and cyl2 BDC '''Ki kell javítani mert nem egyértelmű ! Egy adott ponthoz (általában cyl1 TDC) kell mérni minden eseményt/pulzust főtengely-fokban !''' * az 1 henger alsó holtpontjánál ad jelet illetve a 2es henger alsó holtpontjánál is. * mert a cam sync jeladón két jel van 1 tüske és vele szemben (???) 2 tüske. * 1. tüske: 90 BTDC cyl1 * Alul felül VR jeladók vannak!!! ---- '''injektorok''': * hengerekként 2 injektor van a fojto szelep után egymással szemben ezeket párhuzamosan kötöttem mert Ákos azt mondta elbírja (magas inpedenciás inj)kapcsolt plusz és negatív * EC36/7 cyl1 * EC36/19 cyl2 ---- '''Sensors''' * Bekötve a wbo2 és kalibrálva * tps kalibrálva * víz és a levego is kész * egt kalibrálva * map kalibrálva -- vr sensors cam sync dc szint 12,3 crank dc szint23,7 multimeter 2voltos mérési tartományában!! oscilloscopos mérés:5 voltos beállításnál a 10 szeres szorzó nélkül a camsync 0.16Vrms crank 4,35vrms ---- '''Actuators''' * Coolant fan does not start - even if threshold configured lower than actual ** EC36/pin8 = inj 4ch. ** for this special "8 cylinder" (with 6 cyl missing) we recommend to use a stepper output (or any non-injector output) for the coolant relay. ** If we want to time injection without -45 +45 degree cheating, we want to configure all 8 channels for inj - therefore no injector outputs available for other purpose ---- '''ALS''' * majd még szeretnénk ALS is 10fokos fojtóval max 5500 rpm ig.. ---- '''Ignition outputs''' '''Passive or active ignition transformers''' ? * trannsformers on pin33 and pin35 ** 0 and 1 seems unfortunate choice for ignout: ** for '''passive transformers we recommend EC36/34 and EC36/36''' (ignchannel 2 and 3) because those are also available in the 2-IGBT version ! See [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=GenBoard%2FManual%2FIgnitionOutput ignout] (also referred from [http://shop.vems.hu/catalog/assembled-controller-p-48.html assembled controller in webshop] ) ** '''Our proposed initial config assumes ignchannel 2 (cyl2) and 3 (cyl1) ign outputs are used''' - but easy to change if you know what you are doing ** for active coils ignchannel 4 and 5 makes sense so available even in the 6 IGBT version ** with these recommendations the widest set of controllers (any 2-6 IGBT) ECU will be suitable ---- '''Test config''' * tested config with 1 tooth coil: http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/HondaV2/v3.3_u001212-A-2011.03.16-12.09.16.vemscfg * configured: ** primary and secondary trigger, ** trigger tooth table ** inj and ign outputs * all other will check and set contact 06 30 276 75 75. '''tölstd ki a helyén a kérdéseket''' (ne az aljára irj, hanem mindent abba a részbe ahova tartozik)
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