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IMPORTANT: enter the case-INsensitive alphabetic (no numbers) code AND WRITE SOME SHORT summary of changes (below) if you are saving changes. (not required for previewing changes). Wiki-spamming is not tolerated, will be removed, so it does NOT even show up in history. Spammers go away now. Visit Preferences to set your user name Summary of change: '''IMPORTANT: Injector outputs wiring''' *Ok i see wiring connections needed so her you go. *Wiring is made by vems hq and documentation can be found her *http://www.vems.dk/cart/v3Harness.rar * cyl1 line A yellow ec 36 pin 7 * cyl3 line B orange ec 36 pin 19 * cyl4 line C brown ec 36 pin 8 * cyl2 line D white ec 36 pin 20 I believe that pin 7 and 8 is group 0 (cyl 1-4) pin 19 and 20 is group 4 (cyl 2-3 --- We're discussing injector output configuration for 3 days now, but the injector output wiring is still not written ! We can only recommend best grouping when injector output wiring is known recommended (sw grouping): Wire '''1 output to one injector (grouping happens in config)''' ! * NOT recommended (hw grouping): Wiring 2 outputs together and driving 2 injectors is possible (as Marcell said on phone), but must be grouped in config anyway. ** This has no advantage. On the countrary: if misconfigured, injoutputs will be stressed. Also, if camHALL masking signal is connected, this HW prevents proper injector-angle settings We used h[0]=03 00 00 0C 10 00 00 00 in [http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/v3.3_n002867-A-2010.11.15-15.10.13-divby5-works.vemscfg this config] but h[0]=05 00 00 0A ... might be better ... depending on how injectors are wired. Grouping cyl1,4 and cyl2,3 is recommended ---- 2010-11-17 HQ room testing with VT play trigger trigger type c130: * BAD cfg: http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/16_11_2010/v3.3_n003352-A-2010.11.16-16.58.13_pb.vemscfg ** injector outputs need regrouping ** secondary trigger settings-> minimum, maximum values (changed to 1, 360) Results: In cranking it is working fine all 4 injector groups are firing, but when it leaves cranking rpm the with default h[0]=01 02 04 08 ... Inj group 1,2 are stopped. Only 0,3 are working. You need to use h[0]=05 00 00 0A ... (that is with alternate=13; alternate=11 would be h[0]=05 0A ... ) We used h[0]=03 00 00 0C 10 00 00 00 ---- Need a little help to set this car up. Car Porsche 944 2.5 N/A 1984, 4 cyl Firing order = 1342 using only 1 coil + distributer ---- 16/11-2010 Porsche Audacity trigger recordings http://www.vems.dk/billeder/trigger_lydoptagelse_wav.zip http://www.vems.dk/billeder/trigger_lydoptagelse_aud.zip Config and logs http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/16_11_2010/v3.3_n003352-2010-11-16-16.56.52. http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/16_11_2010/v3.3_n003352-2010.11.16-16.52.32.vemslog http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/16_11_2010/v3.3_n003352-A-2010.11.16-16.58.13_pb.vemscfg ---- 16/11-2010 We are sweeping the secondary trigger position *if changes multiple tooth we can see a trigger error and then goes everything good *if the change is little no problem detected ---- '''We tested 1.1.85 with auditrigger divby5 and c130. works like a charm.''' * 1.1.85 (not yet released), November 15 ** re-download if you have older version (old one might have incompatible real-time comm) ** all 4 injectors and 1 ignition (as configured) works * we used [http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/v3.3_n002867-A-2010.11.15-15.10.13-divby5-works.vemscfg this config] ** note that we disabled config-switching. Always disable, and only enable when engine runs properly. * '''we used Tools/Play Trigger, and we manually changed signal pattern to c130 before pressing play'''. ** note that trigger play shows twice RPM compare to ECU, because it thinks the 130 tooth is 1 engine camshaft rev, while in this case it's 1 crankshaft revolution. The ECU shows correct RPM. ---- '''Trigger''' Assuming 130 crank tooth and one crank ref tooth (Auditrigger) see trigger log '''No camhall masking is used'''. Since there is no cam-HALL inverter in the box, EC36/13 camHALL input can be left unconnected (>3V). ---- 12/11-2010 Result of today's testing. Loaded firmw 1.1.85 changed '''toothrel_missing=04 manually''' in the config file (did not find tag in VT) ** perfect ! div by 2 number of teeth on wheel 26 first trigger tooth 1 next trigger tooth 13 width of tooth 13.75 * The car did not fire and somehow I '''lost real-time data in Vt''' (Still can changes parameters). ** unfortunately - there was a misunderstanding, sorry - the new real-time data format (that can be interleaved with triggerlog). It was not yet fully implemented in the unreleased 1.1.85 on Friday ** '''Now we added command 126 to send real-time data in triggerlog.framing format.''' Changed back so 'D' sends in old format (so megatune compatibility is still possible). '''Should be fixed in the '''(still unreleased) 1.1.85 now - we're also testing it. I don't know if it cooperates with Friday nightly VT, but we upload new VT nightly soon anyway I due not hope it´s the “I button immobilizer” that's cursing these problems. => no, just don't enable I-button immobilizer. Use the default mode: "prohibit according to firmware version" (this SafetyMode was very important to prevent more flooding when not following the procedure). BAD config: http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/1185/v3.3_n003352-2010.11.12-16.48.05.vemscfg (eg, configswitch should never be enabled during setup). Triggerlog: http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/1185/v3.3_n003352-2010-11-12-16.14.46.zip Tank you Peter * If so, than each trigger period is one crankrev, 130 primtrig pulse. * c130 trigger pattern ("c130" can be entered in play trigger dialog, right ? Enter before start "play") * tooth_wheel=41 ? 130 divby2 is 65 might be good after all * but hey... 65 tooth is NOT divisible by 2. ** so another_trigger_tooth=21 (33, vs 65/2) is rounded up, so needs some trick * Emil had a brilliant idea: '''another_trigger_tooth=21''' (decimal 33) - rounding up seems better ** definitely needs benchtest (or strobing at the very minimum), but '''igntrim could easily adjust cyl2,3 that should be timed by the tooth neglected because of divby2''' ( '''2.75 deg igntrim is perfect'''). ** But even than, with this setup RPM reading will fluctuate +-1.5% (not a big problem, but would hide individual power and even some more important information) ** you can only delay with igntrim (not advance). But you can delay the OTHER cyls, eg. cyl1,4 if you like * alternative2: Maybe we have to try with normal coiltype trigger ? (not auditrigger-divby2). This might limit max RPM. ---- '''divby5 allowed in 1.1.85: divby2 setting now means divbyANY mode''' See 1.1.85 in GenBoard/UnderDevelopment/FirmwareChanges (a testing 1.1.85 into cell.dyndns.ws/f/ ) * '''toothrel_missing=04''' ** together with divby2 (will be renamed to divbyANY) this means divby5 (reducing 130 to 26 tooth) * another_trigger_tooth=0d (13 decimal) * reftooth should be 0,13,0,13 withOUT camHALL Benchtest is needed. The 135 tooth worked up to 11k in earlier tests with same trick (a higher divider). ---- '''Symptoms''' The car starts and run but above cranking RPM, it will not fire injector group 1 and 2 (group 0 and '''3''' is ok) so we used 0 and '''3'''(see config) All outputs tested ok and injectors also firing when ignition go high (primepulse). Possibly just a error is settings but I can´t simulate this type of trigger so need help. Config: http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/porsche_944/porsche.vemscfg ECU was equipped with auditrigger but withOUT cam-HALL inverter). Optional: Add document to category: Wiki formatting: * is Bullet list ** Bullet list subentry ... '''Bold''', ---- is horizontal ruler, <code> preformatted text... </code> See wiki editing HELP for tables and other formatting tips and tricks.