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''' VW Corrado ''' || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensen Start]|| [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensen%2FQuestions Questions ]|| [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJenseninjector Injector] || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenignition Ignition] || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensentrigger Triger] || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenDisplay Display] || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenWbo Wbo2]|| [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenconfig Config] || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensentable Table] || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenwiring Wiring] ||[http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenidle Idle]|| [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenTools Tools] || ''' VW Passat ''' || [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenPassat Start]|| [http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPeterJensenPassatThrottel Elektronic throttel]|| ---- '''Electronic throttle body''' *All needed info. Vw throttle ---- http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/electronic_throttle_control.pdf *Throttle driver FET/IC TLE 6209R 7A H-Bridge for DC-Motor http://www.st.com/stonline/products/promlit/pdf/flhbridge0806.pdf *Throttle/EGR driver stonline products http://www.roboteq.com/ax1500-folder.html *Cost Optimized, 2 x 30A Brushed DC Motor Controller http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/Robotics/tutorial/h-bridge/bjt-use.html *Layout Considerations http://vehicle.berkeley.edu/Publications/EC/pggri_msthesis.pdf#search=%22electronic%20throttle%20body%22 http://www.mathworks.com/company/newsletters/digest/jan02/throttle.html http://med.ee.nd.edu/MED10/pdf/459.pdf#search=%22electronic%20throttle%20body%22 http://www.delphi.com/pdf/techpapers/2006-01-0763.pdf#search=%22electronic%20throttle%20body%22 http://www.visteon.com/utils/whitepapers/2004_01_0524.pdf#search=%22electronic%20throttle%20body%22 http://esl.mit.edu/tasm/ESL-TIK-00204.pdf#search=%22electronic%20throttle%20body%22 http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPetrPodrazsky http://www.picotech.com/auto/applications/electronic_throttle_control.html // HansK http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/gaspjeld.pdf *Some canbus protocol data http://www.hex.co.za/vaginfo/index.html *add can data.maby not the correct place... http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/can_eng.pdf *Wary useful reading haw to control a engine http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/eobd_eng.pdf '''Inputs''' - note there is a second signal to detect errors * 2 '''PPS''' (Pedal position sensor) potentiometer mounted on the accel pedal: * 2 '''TPS''' throttle position sensor : potentiometer mounted on the throttle body Most likely 5V signals. '''Output to drive actuator''' * a variable output 0.. 12V ** or '''0..+12V and 0..-12V''' ? (bidirectional push-pull style? might be possible with stepper outputs, except current rating....) '''Can someone confirm this? 10A full-bridge driver needed. or 3A but with automatic (HW) current-sense/limit/switchoff.''' *** VEMS default HW does not have 10A bidirectional outputs. '''H-bridge driver needed''' *DC motor Driver: [http://www.infineon.com/upload/Document/TLE7209-2R_V1.3.pdf TLE 7209-2R] *DC motor Driver: [http://www.infineon.com/upload/Document/cmc_upload/documents/028/495/tle6209r_3.0_1.pdf TLE 6209-R] * [http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=104857&Site=US&Cat=32899864 digikey.com h-bridge] has plenty suitable H-bridges for $4..5, eg: ** NJM2670D2 DIP22 The software/firmware to drive this is not too complex, but we experienced some lag during last months even for simple firmware tasks. What is the current-draw ? * Normal load: 2,5A * '''Stall load 9,5A''' *See the above documentation * See all the schematic/diagram vw passat at: http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/el%20diagram%20alt%202000.pdf http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/throttle%20body.jpg http://www.vems.hu/files/MembersPage/PeterJensen/speeder%20pedal%20potentiometer.jpg 4/10-06 * I got a new car VW Passat 1999 and would like to VEMS it but can we control the electronic throttle ? ** most likely not. Any useful info about the throttle ? * will it be possible in the near future ? ** if you get (find/sniff/query from manufacturer) the CAN-codes (assuming it's CAN-controlled), than maybe. Otherwise not * Or are there another way to do it ? ** mechanical linkage (clumsy ;-) ---- http://www.vems.hu/files/PeterJensen/speeder%20pedal%20potentiometer%20imag.jpg http://www.vems.hu/files/PeterJensen/throttle%20body%20connector%20imag.jpg Is the connector same as the LSU4 WBO2 connector ? http://www.vems.hu/files/PeterJensen/throttle%20body%20imag.jpg
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