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IMPORTANT: enter the case-INsensitive alphabetic (no numbers) code AND WRITE SOME SHORT summary of changes (below) if you are saving changes. (not required for previewing changes). Wiki-spamming is not tolerated, will be removed, so it does NOT even show up in history. Spammers go away now. Visit Preferences to set your user name Summary of change: '''FIXED - DISABLED SHIFT-CUT SETTINGS''' '''Now just need to fix MAT sensor.... why is it stuck on 97-100 degrees C in winter? OEM Audi PTC sensor, and recommended PTC 425 file loaded into ecu with VemsTune. Any ideas???''' *ECU #1883 installed and running. Problem found with configuration(sec_trigger is now set to "25" in decimal) *'''Problem: Injector PW drops to zero, the same as before''' *Overrun_fuelcut = 18 KPA, overboost_fuelcut set to ~226 kpa. *'''PW drops to zero at normal kpa of 40-90''' *Datalog seconds: 193,225,231,286,291,305,355,363,420,439,462 etc. *'''Note proper decel fuelcut at 379 and 444 seconds.''' *'''Datalog link: http://cid-0faf7a105daa4e3e.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/datalog200902061943.xls '''CONFIG:''' # CurrentTime: 2009-02-06 15:06:42 # Version: 1.1.27 # SerialNumber: v3.3_n001883 # CompilationTime: Mon Sep 3 15:10:58 CEST 2007 # Signature: VEMS v1.1 12x12 kpa=2,2 primep=00 primep_temp_scaling=33 cwl=2D cwh=14 cranking_thres=03 awev=6E awev_temp_scaling=4D awec=11 warmup_clt_range[0]=1C warmup_clt_range[1]=48 warmup_clt_range[2]=6C warmup_clt_range[3]=90 warmup_clt_range[4]=A2 warmup_clt_range[5]=B4 warmup_clt_range[6]=C6 warmup_clt_range[7]=D8 warmup_clt_range[8]=EA warmup_clt_range[9]=FC warmup_clt[0]=C8 warmup_clt[1]=A0 warmup_clt[2]=82 warmup_clt[3]=73 warmup_clt[4]=6E warmup_clt[5]=69 warmup_clt[6]=66 warmup_clt[7]=64 warmup_clt[8]=68 warmup_clt[9]=64 warmup_rpm_scale=A8 req_fuel=37 divider=01 alternate=14 injopen=00 battfac=22 kpafac=D0 kpaoffs=90 injocfuel=19 injrampup_battfac=FF injpwm=FF injpwmt=FF als_launch_input=0E rpmk[0]=09 rpmk[1]=60 tpsdot_kpadot_conf=00 tpsdotrate[0]=04 tpsdotrate[1]=07 tpsdotrate[2]=0F tpsdotrate[3]=1A tpsaq[0]=07 tpsaq[1]=09 tpsaq[2]=0E tpsaq[3]=14 als_cut_mintps=FF tpsasync=03 acmult=6E tpsacold=14 launch_enrich=00 launch_retard=28 overrun_fuelcut=63 overrun_fuelresume=62 rev_limit=4A airden_ignore=62 config11=41 config12=40 config13=02 batt_cal=C6 fastidle=C6 als_max_cut=00 dbaro=04 tps_low=0B tps_high=EA fan_temp=EA fan_hyst=04 fan_channel=FF iac_step_seq=D8 iac_conf=58 iac_max_steps=FF iac_tps_thres=05 iac_cold_idle_temp=63 iac_warm_idle_temp=B4 iac_cold_rpm=69 iac_warm_rpm=5A iac_cold_start_pos=FF iac_warm_start_pos=80 iac_afterstart_rpm=0A iac_afterstart_duration=19 iac_speed=00 iac_kp=00 iac_ki=30 iac_kd=19 launch_rpm=32 iac_integral_limit_dec=32 iac_integral_limit_inc=0A iac_integral_deadband=1B iac_deadband=0A als_cut_maxtps=FF iac_overclose_interval=FF iac_ref_pos[0]=BF iac_ref_pos[1]=BA iac_ref_pos[2]=AD iac_ref_pos[3]=A8 iac_ref_pos[4]=A1 iac_ref_pos[5]=99 iac_ref_pos[6]=91 iac_ref_pos[7]=87 iac_ref_pos[8]=7D iac_ref_pos[9]=7A iac_sol_channel=60 iac_ign_slope=60 softrpm_range=0D iac_ign_advance_limit=08 iac_ign_retard_limit=18 iac_ign_threshold=0A ego_conf=06 ego_lag=04 ego_coolant=B4 ego_maxtps=E6 ego_maxmap=3F ego_minrpm=0C ego_maxrpm=28 ego_warmup=14 ego_lean_limit=00 ego_rich_limit=00 ego_pid_kp=1E als_enrich=00 ego_delta=00 ego_target=19 ego_pid_window=01 wbo2_warmup_ramp=FF als_react_tps=FF wbo2_abs_limit=E0 wbo2_limit_maxt=F0 wbo2_fallback=70 wbo2_retry_t=06 als_retard_rpm1=FF als_retard_rpm2=FF wbo2_ri_target=A5 wbo2_nernstdc_target=88 wbo2_pump_pw_zero=63 wbo2_calibration=B4 wbo2_heater_pid_kp=45 wbo2_heater_pid_ki=11 wbo2_heater_pid_kd=1A wbo2_heater_pid_ilimit=80 wbo2_pump_pid_kp=15 wbo2_pump_pid_ki=4E wbo2_pump_pid_kd=00 wbo2_pump_pid_ilimit=FF wbo2_ri_confidence_scale=80 knock_chan=F0 knock_sampling_window=F2 knock1_frequency=29 knock1_gain=0E knock1_integrator=14 knock2_frequency=29 knock2_gain=00 knock2_integrator=00 knock_threshold=0A knock_noise_scale=D8 knock_max_retard=00 knock_default_retard=00 knock_retard_step=04 knock_retard_delay=30 knock_advance_step=01 knock_advance_delay=50 knock_minrpm=16 knock_maxrpm=42 ve_learn_coolant=CF ve_learn_max_power=64 ve_learn_rpm_scale=28 ve_learn_kpa_scale=28 ve_learn_ego_scale=50 ve_learn_min_weight=14 ve_learn_speed=32 ve_learn_limit=80 ve_learn_conf=00 lcd_c0=FE lcd_delay=42 lcd_backlight=FF kpa_conf=22 als_igncut_rpm2=FF als_retard_mintps=FF als_retard_maxtps=FF lcd_default_view=00 primary_trigger=43 secondary_trigger=19 tooth_wheel=5A trigger_tooth=00 another_trigger_tooth=12 crank_minper=A3 tooth_wheel_twidth1=20 tooth_wheel_twidth2=00 cam_sync_r_edge_phase=00 cam_sync_f_edge_phase=00 reset_engphase_after=40 ign_tdcdelay=74 ign_dwell14=2B ign_dwell6=00 ign_crank_advance=28 ign_out=70 ignchmax=04 engine_off_delay=02 pump_on_mintime=04 fuelpump_channel=50 inj_stage2_rate=FF inj_stage2_start_tps=FF inj_stage2_start_map=FF als_igncut_rpm1=FF als_deact_time=00 als_deact_egt=00 als_retard=00 als_rev_limit=63 misc1out_minrpm=FF misc1out_maxrpm=FF misc1out_mintps=FF misc1out_maxtps=FF misc1out_minmap=FF misc1out_maxmap=FF misc1out_channel=FF misc2out_minrpm=FF misc2out_maxrpm=FF misc2out_mintps=FF misc2out_maxtps=FF misc2out_minmap=FF misc2out_maxmap=FF misc2out_channel=FF act_wot_rpm=FF act_wot_channel=FF act_rpm_rpm=FF act_rpm_channel=FF egt1_cal=55 als_tks_channel=FF boost_conf=FF boost_targetoffs=00 boost_minpressure=3A boost_pid_kp=84 boost_pid_ki=4B boost_pid_kd=2C boost_pid_ilimit=64 boost_channel=70 water_pump_temp=00 hybrid_rpm_a=00 hybrid_rpm_m=00 water_pump_hyst=7E water_pump_channel=FF toothrel_normal=76 toothrel_missing=00 fuelcut_min_kpa=09 fuelcut_max_kpa=71 tach_channel=07 tach_div=10 shiftcut_conf=13 shiftcut_channel=07 shiftcut_time=32 softrpm_rpm=48 # CurrentTime: 2009-02-06 15:06:50 # Version: 1.1.27 # SerialNumber: v3.3_n001883 # CompilationTime: Mon Sep 3 15:10:58 CEST 2007 # Signature: VEMS v1.1 12x12 kpa=2,2 j[0]=5F80 5E80 6180 6980 6E80 7580 7980 7F80 7F80 7D80 7B80 7980 j[1]=6580 6680 6780 6E80 7380 7880 7D80 8280 8280 8080 7E80 7C80 j[2]=6A80 6C80 6E80 7580 7E80 8480 8780 8A80 8A80 8880 8680 8480 j[3]=7380 7880 7880 7B80 8580 8880 8B80 8E80 8E80 8C80 8A80 8880 j[4]=7D80 7D80 7D80 8280 8780 8C80 8E80 9080 9080 8E80 8C80 8A80 j[5]=8780 8780 8980 8B80 8D80 8F80 9180 9280 9280 9080 8F80 8C80 j[6]=9180 9180 9280 9280 9380 9480 9680 9780 9780 9580 9380 9180 j[7]=9280 9480 9480 9680 9780 9980 9B80 9C80 9C80 9A80 9880 9680 j[8]=9580 9780 9A80 9B80 9C80 9E80 A080 A180 A180 9F80 9D80 9B80 j[9]=9D80 9F80 A180 A580 A880 AB80 AE80 B180 B180 AF80 AD80 AB80 j[A]=AF80 B180 B380 B680 B980 BC80 BF80 C380 C380 BF80 BC80 B980 j[B]=B280 B480 B680 BB80 C180 C480 C780 CB80 CB80 C680 C080 BA80 l[0]=37 37 37 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 l[1]=37 37 37 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 l[2]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 l[3]=44 44 44 44 47 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 l[4]=5E 5E 5E 5E 5E 5E 5E 5E 5E 5E 5E 5E l[5]=73 73 73 73 73 7B 7B 7B 7B 7B 75 73 l[6]=7B 7B 7B 7B 7B 83 83 83 7E 7B 7B 7B l[7]=7B 7B 7B 7B 7B 83 83 83 83 7E 7E 7E l[8]=7E 7E 7E 7E 7E 83 83 83 83 83 83 83 l[9]=7E 7E 7E 7E 7E 87 87 87 87 87 83 83 l[A]=7E 7E 7E 7E 7E 87 87 87 87 87 87 83 l[B]=7E 7E 7E 7E 7E 87 87 87 87 87 87 87 n[0]=3C 48 5C 74 9C 9C 9C 9C 9C 9C 9C 9C n[1]=3C 48 5C 70 98 98 98 98 98 98 98 98 n[2]=3C 44 58 6C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C n[3]=3C 40 54 68 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 n[4]=38 3C 50 64 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 n[5]=34 3C 50 5A 5C 58 54 54 58 5C 5C 5C n[6]=30 3C 50 50 50 4C 48 48 4C 50 50 50 n[7]=2C 3C 4B 46 44 40 3C 3C 40 44 44 44 n[8]=28 3C 46 41 3C 38 34 34 38 3C 3C 3C n[9]=28 3C 41 3C 38 34 30 30 34 38 3C 3C n[A]=28 3C 41 3C 34 30 2C 2C 30 34 38 3C n[B]=28 3C 41 3C 30 2C 28 28 2C 30 34 34 k[0]=0D 0F 19 26 32 4B 58 64 71 7D 8A 96 r[0]=09 0F 14 1A 20 26 2C 32 38 3E 44 4A h[0]=01 02 04 08 10 20 40 80 h[1]=00 48 36 24 12 00 00 00 h[2]=10 70 60 30 20 30 40 50 y[0]=FF FF FF BF 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 y[1]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[2]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[3]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[4]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[5]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[6]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[7]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[8]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[9]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[A]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF y[B]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ---- '''The pinout of the new ECU''' *Order: 2787 *Board ID: 1883 EC36/pin: Wire color: 10 - brown 24 - black 33 - blue 34 - red 36 - blue(with duck tape) Two input: thin blue mcp3208 ch 6 (pulled up to 5V) thin gray mcp3208 ch 7 (pulled up to 5V) ---- ---- '''OLDER''' '''First ECU #2016:''' '''Last Config Dumps''' http://www.vems.hu/files/KevinBlack/CGconfigdownload122608.txt *'''ECU (still) resetting causing big hesitations in engine''' '''Datalog - shows 3 ECU Resets, 2 PW drops to zero at idle, and one trigger error''' http://www.vems.hu/files/KevinBlack/Cg%20Drive%201.xls * customer reports that the tach "jumps up" when the hesitations occur Please post uptodate config dump so it can be examined for output-collisions or other potential configuration problem. I think after harness tests we should send you replacement ECU to see if it behaves (should also be tried with same config). The config dump is extremely important, the first step of the procedure. If the replacement ECU fixes it we'll have to dump config from that too and compare to find out. *'''Thanks, the config dump was linked below, here it is: **'''Older config dumps below - secondary trigger was "disabled" in MT(fixed)''' http://www.vems.hu/files/KevinBlack/CGFinalBaseDump.rtf ---- '''11/19/08''' *stuck in bootloader mode'''SOLVED, edited "upload-firmware.bat" and used PSI Tuner to reload the firmware''' *USB-Serial adapter (of course) *We are using the newest VEMSTune 10-20, and uploaded firmware 1.1.27, along with PTC 2460_425 and 2063_256 files. *The firmware started to upload and then stopped, and displayed error windows about the bootloader mode or whatever. Now the ecu wont connect in MT or VEMSTune. *I had him bridge serial port 2-3 with the ECU OFF, then turn the ECU ON, did this a few times. (not needed if it starts in bootloader anyway. Wont hurt either) *We tried turning the ECU OFF (before uploading again) after bridging the pins, was this wrong? ** no problem at all *I cant get anything to work now. Any ideas? ** try with megaloader (see the batch file in the MegaTune releases) or prog.pl ** we didn't experience that in the lab, but occasionally hearing about similar cases. Autronic manual states that you have to disable buffers (emil_ a friend of mine tried 3 different usb-rs232 and still fails). Disable buffers in device manager, find the port, properties, port settings, advanced ---- '''11/18/08 - Engine is running. I had to rotate the ignition outputs.''' '''NEW Order: h[2]=10 76 60 30 20 50 50 50''' '''In MT = 2-3-6-7-1 (bottom to top) '''OLD Order: h[2]=76 60 30 20 10 50 50 50''' '''In MT = 1-2-3-6-7 (bottom to top) '''I assume this is because of the secondary trigger placement. Can someone check the rest of the config to make sure it is correct for a 3B engine?''' '''OLD dumps below - secondary trigger was "disabled" in MT(fixed)''' http://www.vems.hu/files/KevinBlack/CGFinalBaseDump.rtf ---- '''Primary Trigger Settings, note no "crankminper" setting''', does this explain the trigger error? (should be ~2600 for 8000+100 rpm limit) * '''What about the "Nissan Trigger enabled?''' http://www.vems.hu/files/KevinBlack/PrimaryTrig.jpg ---- '''Ignition Configuration / Wiring, 5 IGBT Outputs''' '''IGN Output - EC36 - Color - Cylinder''' 10 - 33 - Blue(Tape) - Cyl 1 20 - 34 - Black - Cyl 2 30 - 36 - Brown - Cyl 4 60 - 24 - Red - Cyl 5 70 - 10 - Blue - Cyl 3 Firing Order 1-2-4-5-3 ---- '''Car Information:''' * 1991 Audi 200 20vtq,(3B) * Stock injectors, 3.5 bar fuel pressure * 5 individual 12V power coils ---- '''ECU information''' * Webshop assembled Serial # 2016 * 1.1.27 Firmware * Marcell config and tables for 3B * Megatune 1.1.23 and or V3GUI for tuning ---- '''Questions:''' * Does 3B Engine need crankhome wires reversed? ** yes *** '''Done - Black crank-home connector Pin1=Red to ECU 48, Pin 2=Violet to ECU 49''' * What is Cam Hall inversion? ** a small (NPN) inverter inside the box makes low/hi from hi/low input (on EC36/13) * Need to check config (Marcells config shows 90 tooth for trigger? I thought it is 135 tooth?) ** actually 270 tooth, so 90 because of the divby3 * Need to verify all trigger functions - shipping this ecu to a customer ** you can use soundcard, left channel to EC36/27, right channel to EC18/12. Use c270 trigger * Need documentation about how P259, INJ, etc. is wired to Motronic55 connector ** See the 3B column in the spreadsheet. http://vems.hu/download/v3/Motronic55/motronic-AAN-ECxx.xls ** also see the functions in the config. Eg p259/0 (ec36/4) is tach out. ** also keep track of what you ordered. The SSC6 pinout can vary according to customer request (pins can be analog input, or ignout logiclevel/power ign out, or gnd) ---- '''Requested Configuration''' MAP connection 400kPa onboard - brass nipple Flyback - 30v Diode LCD - Connector through endplate (DSUB9 on endplate or flying loom) EGT - Flying Loom through endplate Knock - Via Motronic55 Pins IAT - Audi PTC Sensor (430 Ohm pull-up) ---- '''Ignition Configuration, 5 IGBT Outputs''' '''IGN Output - EC36 - Color - Cylinder''' 10 - 33 - Blue(Tape) - Cyl 1 20 - 34 - Black - Cyl 2 30 - 36 - Brown - Cyl 4 60 - 24 - Red - Cyl 5 70 - 10 - Blue - Cyl 3 Firing Order 1-2-4-5-3 ---- '''2 Analog Inputs, custom connector''' * Red (Analog 7) 8,400 Ohms to Pin 12 5V * Blue(Analog 6) 8,400 Ohms to Pin 12 5V ---- '''Launch Control and Shift Cut Setup''' * '''How do I wire and set-up the Launch/Shift as described below?''' As you see, the "AAN ECU extra connector pins" has 3 analog inputs, we use one brake-light switch mounted under clutch (and a series switch that can disable it) to pull down (activate) the (shared) input for shiftcut and launch. When activated with TPS < iac_tps_threshold launch is activated (TPS can be pressed after activation). Otherwise shiftcut is activated. ---- '''WBO2 Configuration''' '''SSC Pin - Flying Lead - WB02 Pin''' * 1,black Nernst,WBO2 Pin 1 * 2,'''White''' +12V (motronic pin27) 3 * 3,'''Grey''' Heater(-),WBO2 Pin 4 * 4,transparent Pump(-),WBO2 Pin 5 * 5,thin red Pump(+),WBO2 Pin 6 ---- '''Suggestion - make WBO2 wire colors match the LSU4.2 sensor''' '''SSC - Color - WBO2 Pin''' * 1 - Black - 1 * 2 - Grey - 3 * 3 - White - 4 * 4 - Yellow - 5 * 5 - Red - 6 ---- '''General Audi Information''' Pic of ECU Connector: http://www.vems.hu/files/Audi%203B%20Connector/ECUconnector.jpg 3B Wiring Pinout: http://www.s2central.net/motronic_pinout_3B.html 3B Wiring Schematic: http://www.s2central.net/images/3B_ECU_Schematic.jpg Audi 3B Information: http://www.s2central.net/motronic_02.html http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/20vboost.html Optional: Add document to category: Wiki formatting: * is Bullet list ** Bullet list subentry ... 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