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IMPORTANT: enter the case-INsensitive alphabetic (no numbers) code AND WRITE SOME SHORT summary of changes (below) if you are saving changes. (not required for previewing changes). Wiki-spamming is not tolerated, will be removed, so it does NOT even show up in history. Spammers go away now. Visit Preferences to set your user name Summary of change: Introduction I am planning to install VEMS on a Fiat/Lancia 5 cyl. 2l 20V engine. Since I have no previous experience with engine management the time frame for this project is pretty much unlimited. Some data on the engine: * 5 cylinder, 1998cc, 20V, turbocharged * Firing order: 1-2-4-5-3 * OEM ECU is a Bosch Motronic M 2.10.4 with a 58+2 (60-2) missing tooth trigger wheel. [http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/rpm-tdc_sensor_1.jpg][http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/rpm-tdc_sensor_3.jpg] ** VR sensor * Stock injection timing sensor is a Hall effect sensor, reading off the exhaust camshaft.[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/timing_sensor.jpg][http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/timing_angles.jpg] * Coil-on-plug setup.[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/COP_2.jpg][http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/COP_3.jpg] ** Passive coils. * Fiat VVT, simple variable valve timing system.[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/VVT_1.jpg][http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/cojniz/VEMS/VVT_2.jpg] From what I can tell (which isn't alot) all sensors needed by VEMS is already there (except MAP sensor). Problem seems to be to figure out if they can be used. * Since almost all components are made by Bosch, there shouldn't be any problem with these sensors I have two sets of injectors, high impedance Bosch. Standard ones are rated at about 330cc/min@3 bar. The second set is rated at 384cc/min@3 bar. '''Questions''' * How do I decide what config. I need, regarding to ignition drivers? Are the logic-level outputs of any use if I use my passive coils? * How can I tell what sort of crank trigger sensor is used. The manual only states part no. which havn't helped me alot. ** measure Ohm with DVM. Any combination of pins, in both directions. DVM Diode mode can help too. ** MembersPage/PhatBob - Looking at the trigger wheel info [1] it shows a method to test the resistance (774 - 846 @20degC) and shows a coil in the schematic. This is a VR sensor. * OEM coil-on-plug setup can most likely be used. Is there a way to find out if they are "active" or not? ** measure Ohm with DVM. Any combination of pins, in both directions. DVM Diode mode can help too. ** MembersPage/PhatBob - The coils shown in [5]are passive coils with a 0.4 ohm primary coil, these will draw ~30A@12V MembersPage/PhatBob - For the VVT looking at [8] you will need to measure the resistence across the solanoid (1) in the picture, I see that the Motronic ECU drives these through a series of relays, depending on the current draw it may be possible to drive the VVT directly by one of the spare High Current outputs. MembersPage/EmilMalmsten/AudiS/OldPage is a 5cyl that was running on 60-2 (+ camsync, of course) earlier, before it was converted to InputTrigger/AudiTrigger. Optional: Add document to category: Wiki formatting: * is Bullet list ** Bullet list subentry ... '''Bold''', ---- is horizontal ruler, <code> preformatted text... </code> See wiki editing HELP for tables and other formatting tips and tricks.