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IMPORTANT: enter the case-INsensitive alphabetic (no numbers) code AND WRITE SOME SHORT summary of changes (below) if you are saving changes. (not required for previewing changes). Wiki-spamming is not tolerated, will be removed, so it does NOT even show up in history. Spammers go away now. Visit Preferences to set your user name Summary of change: Hello. My basic plan is to convert a mechanical injection/timing IDI Jetta in to an electronic IDI, using possibly v3.3. NOTE: I am very, very new to this, so please explain all tech. comments well. I am a quick learner though. Work in IT, programmer etc. Also I am not looking for people to hand feed me, if you can point me in the direction to read something I am all for it, and I will be reading the wiki lots so I may answer some of my own questions. VW Jetta 90 1.6l IDI (Indirect injection) The project will need very accurate crank position information for fuel injection. * how accurate ? In usec ? - I am usually thinking in degrees, not usec, I would have to think about it though, as I would like to turn the motor at 7000rpm, with possible pizo injectors 3x/cycle Also no spark plugs, coils, or throttle bodies are needed. What I will need is: #Hall/VR crank pos. setup #Throttle pos. sensor #3 BAR MAP #EGT (already have sensor) #Boost controller for Variable Vain Turbo #Looking to replace dash with the LCD unit to display all engine stats, if possible – more reading needed Questions I have: Is this Feasible? Can VEMS handle dynamic advange? (Sounds like it can). * maybe. It's mostly a software task. If you can do some prototype coding on PC. Define inputs (like TPS throttle-pedal sensor), make a simple engine model and feedback loop. Than we can set up cooperation paths and goals, and send you sufficient HW (with good conditions ;-) Join ChatViaIrc, for some direct talk/team integration. - I will try to get something together, might be a simple VB app but will be more visual then just looking at lines of code... Due to the fact that I will not be useing cycles for Spark Charging/timeing only injector timeing, can I use a more advanced timing setup? Can the VEMS handle a higher resolution on the crank? i.e. 2 deg. count for injection timing ** 2 degrees should be possible - This is very important as DI diesels LOVE advance, and I am looking to try to get the advance very tight If I created a board that produced a hex number, could this be read by VEMS? (http://www.automotivedesignline.com/howto/197001808) * currently we only have 2 dedicated trigger inputs. ** maybe 1 input for timing + a serial port for extra info is better ? - Not sure on this as I am not an Electronic Eng. though I have a friend who is that could help with this, but if you are saying that we can get 2deg, then I am thinking that we will be ok. I have read quite a bit now in the Wiki, and still have found very little on how the crank trigger actually works, at least any "clear" documentation. From my understanding, the missing tooth triggers an event that causes the ECU to send fuel then spark to cylinder X. Can some one clear this up? Firing order, 1-3-2-4. On a side note, does any one have any good resources on sequential injection that I can read? ....===New===.... I have another question around timing. How are you guys doing this? Is it with the tooth pulses? Or are you doing a count (usec)? If a count (usec) how are you accommodating for variation in engine load/throttle blip? By using tooth pulse count, and calculation with up to 3 timing inputs we can get timing down to degrees and possibly with good algorithms account for sudden engine load variation/throttle blip. Unfortunately I haven’t had time to create a simulation…lack of internet at home :’( I will get my butt in gear here to get something posted on it though. On Common Rails #Need an output for the pressure control solenoid, along with the fuel shut off solenoid (ignition/Drag safety feature, button) #Also something already identified, and something I mention here, timing, timing and timing. Diesels are very dependent on timing, unlike a gasser. Thanks Brad Optional: Add document to category: Wiki formatting: * is Bullet list ** Bullet list subentry ... '''Bold''', ---- is horizontal ruler, <code> preformatted text... </code> See wiki editing HELP for tables and other formatting tips and tricks.