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IMPORTANT: enter the case-INsensitive alphabetic (no numbers) code AND WRITE SOME SHORT summary of changes (below) if you are saving changes. (not required for previewing changes). Wiki-spamming is not tolerated, will be removed, so it does NOT even show up in history. Spammers go away now. Visit Preferences to set your user name Summary of change: '''My flyback page''' '''Original problem:''' I cannot get stable idle and low load (<2500rpm) area using lambda values above 0.9. Actually I need to use 0.85-0.88 on these areas. This engine is happy to operate on 1-1.05 lambda with stock (injector, ecu, fuel) setup. '''Original setup:''' BMW M30B34 turbo engine, 1200cc low-Z (2.0 Ohm) injectors with E85 fuel. In-line resistors from webshop and 30V transient flyback diode. '''Experiment #1:''' Just tried alternative flyback from MembersPage/GintsK/FlybackForLowZ - I've got slightly faster closing than 30V zener setup (my idle lambda changed from ~0.9 to ~0.94), with resistors still inline. Note that effective flyback voltage also rose from 30V to 36V. http://nexus.dynaweb.hu/~lezsi/vems/HighVFlyback.jpg '''Experiment #2:''' Resistors removed and changed to pwm mode. It was very sensitive to pwm duty %, in fact I couldn't get stable opening below 75% duty. This way low load lambda control results was better, actually I set VE to lambda=~1 values on low load which was original goal. On high load this high duty pwm fried one of my injectors. (10A fuse still intact) Update: INJD output is dead (always on, measuring 8 Ohms to ground with ECU disconnected). Probably it is the cause of frying injector #4 while other ones had no problem. Update2: injFET death confirmed, killed another two with a healthy push off throttle. (This time with 2A fuses per channel, both of them blown -after the FETs died). I guess not current but voltage peak reaches the fet(?) This is my third time of dying injector outputs. We need to sort out possible causes because it's really annoying and dangerous. ---- My observations show that going to 36V switched flyback will accelerate closing of injectors significantly, and omitting inline resistors will accelerate opening of injectors also. As it seems these injectors cannot handle this high current load, I thought abut some sort of switching flyback. Switching flyback strategy #1: No inline resistors, PWM mode, low voltage AND high voltage flyback switched by per-channel flyback logic. Low voltage flyback during the pwm phase and high voltage flyback switched immediately after closing. (64us?) Switching flyback strategy #2: Inline resistors, no PWM mode, high voltage flyback. On injector opening switching logic switches a direct connection between FET and injectors (avoiding inline resistors). After ~1ms it switches off, so resistors will limit current afterwards. I'm interested in your ideas here... Try this solution(strategt #1) http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FDamirMuha%2FLowZinjectorsFlyback http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FGoranJurkovic%2FDaewooLaNOS%2FLPG * I've built this dual-voltage circuit http://nexus.dynaweb.hu/~lezsi/vems/dualvoltageFB.JPG This resulted in reasonable injector control from around 20% pwm duty, and fast opening-closing as before, but in high load area it ended up in death of another two injFETs. -Good to know that after blowing the fuse it wont blow another one as hot injector's impedance gets much higher and this results in lower current (still enough to burn the injector coil in a minute or two). I'd really appreciate any ideas... * I use irf640N mosfet for injectors without heat sink(no heating). It's 200V 18A mosfet so you can use 50V flyback without problems. So far i put them in 7cars and so far not a signel problem. For my lpg inejetorc(0.9ohm) i use peak hold time 1.7ms and 25% DC. ** Thank you, I was using 1ms and 35% this time. Do you mean to replace all original injfet drivers and install irf640N instead? May I use same mounting and clamping as the originals? -Or just cut it short and no clamping to case at all? *** Originals mosfet have insulated case and irf640N don't. You can clamp to case if you put insulator. I suggest no clamping to case(leave in air). http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4778/blaut3.jpg Optional: Add document to category: Wiki formatting: * is Bullet list ** Bullet list subentry ... '''Bold''', ---- is horizontal ruler, <code> preformatted text... </code> See wiki editing HELP for tables and other formatting tips and tricks.