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IMPORTANT: enter the case-INsensitive alphabetic (no numbers) code AND WRITE SOME SHORT summary of changes (below) if you are saving changes. (not required for previewing changes). Wiki-spamming is not tolerated, will be removed, so it does NOT even show up in history. Spammers go away now. Visit Preferences to set your user name Summary of change: '''Ignition (output, ignadv and dwell) page for MembersPage/EricN''' Note that trigger is on MembersPage/EricN/Trigger '''Even-fire 6-cyl''' '''using 6 LS1 coil near plug ignition transformers''' This is what I know so far: 4 wires per coil * 12v * ground * ground to the ecu * trigger wire Factory look is eventually the goal, but for now, I want to practice on this engine the same setup that will be in my racecar when it is actually built, then I will revert back to more simplistic setup. We usually use ignition channel 2 and 5 for these (recent tradition, that assembled ECMs are setup with ign channel 2 and 5 this way unless ECM goes for V8 with COP: very handy when IgnitionPage/TransformerWithAmplifier is to be used), you need 4 more logiclevel channels (for total 6). MembersPage/MarcellGal/EngineSwap also uses similar logic-level ign setup for IgnitionPage/TransformerWithAmplifier ---- '''Ignition sequence''' * cyl order 1 5 3 6 2 4 * wiring ** ch00 EC36pin35 goes to cyl 1 ** ch01 EC36pin33 goes to cyl 2 ** ch02 EC36pin34 goes to cyl 3 ** ch03 EC36pin36 goes to cyl 4 ** ch04 EC36pin11 goes to cyl 5 ** ch05 EC36pin12 goes to cyl 6 The matching channels found on GenBoard/Manual/DigitalOut/Table (remember h[2] is traversed backwards] h[2]=03 01 05 02 04 00 00 00 ---- '''Trigger''' - for LS1 ignition transformers I have measured the trigger signal: (originally measured it as dwell but now realize that I can't measure dwell, it is not accessible. * Trigger signal is a constant 4 volt, logic level signal. * Trigger time varies. ** Start/Idle 1 ms ** 3000 rpm approx 4 ms ** Full throttle/5500 rpm .55 ms ---- '''How to output a logic-level ignition signal''' Use the same driver as the original IGBT is driven from, just solder a jumper wire in place of the IGBT (don't solder IGBT for given channels), between the gate and drain the 2 pins closest to the EC36 connector, and use ign_out=70 in your config /Emil ---- I connected a coil just to see if all works. While my 2 year old turned my "engine" over (drill on a modified distributer) I would change the dwell in MegaTune while measuring the voltage at the trigger signal with a scope. The voltage "on" time is basically exactly half of what I set it to in MegaTune. Is this normal?? I expected them to be the same. I assume there is no simple way to vary the trigger "on" time with RPM so I played with the various settings. To get 5.5 ms I set dwell to 11, very violent spark, don't expect the coils or plugs to last that long at that setting. Set it to 1 ms (2 in megatune) and the spark is ok, will jump a gap of about 1/2 inch, didnt push it any further for fear of arcing to the ecu. Set it to 3 ms and the spark "looks" about right. '''Old/inaccurate info''' This was how I measured it before, measured dwell on the ecu trigger wire, not correct to measure coil dwell. * With scope on dwell, length is around 59.x degrees at all engine speeds and loads. * Duty cycle was at about 95%, stayed constant. Please correct the above, obviously there must be some misunderstanding as 59 degrees is not equal to 95%*120 crankdegrees. There really are many ways, eg.: * scope * soundcard * DVM in DC voltage mode (20V): duty = measured_voltage / (VBatt - 2.5V). Knowing RPM and duty, you can calculate dwell ** DVM + on VBatt ** (min.600V) diode (eg. ES2J or 1n4007 in GenBoard/VerThree/RescueKit ) used for the same purpose as on TimingLight *** cathode on ignition channel (ECM output that goes to primary) *** diode anode connected to DVM - ** optionally 270 .. 1000 Ohm parallel with the DVM. A LED in series with 270 Ohm is the best, basically same as on TimingLight (except that lower brightness is used for indication than for a real timing-light). Optional: Add document to category: Wiki formatting: * is Bullet list ** Bullet list subentry ... '''Bold''', ---- is horizontal ruler, <code> preformatted text... </code> See wiki editing HELP for tables and other formatting tips and tricks.