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IMPORTANT: enter the case-INsensitive alphabetic (no numbers) code AND WRITE SOME SHORT summary of changes (below) if you are saving changes. (not required for previewing changes). Wiki-spamming is not tolerated, will be removed, so it does NOT even show up in history. Spammers go away now. Visit Preferences to set your user name Summary of change: While IonSense is a good way to get direct information on what's happening in the combustion chamber, there is another, more direct way - we can sense the pressure directly instead of indirectly with a pressure transducer fitted into the cylinder head. This is an *extraordinarily* powerful tool for research and tuning. The EFI computer would be able to auto-learn the proper timing, and get it right within a very small margin of error if one of these was employed. There are a few pressure transducers commonly used in laboratory research for this purpose. The most common one is the Kistler 6061b. It's designed specifically for combustion chamber pressure measurements, and is water cooled. http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/images/6061B.gif http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/Pressure_Model_6061B.htm Kistler makes other interesting sensors, specifically the 6043, which is very tiny (M8x0.75 thread pitch), and would be able to be fitted in a modern 4 valve/cyl engine without clearance issues, whereas the contemporary 6061 is quite large. http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/images/6043A60_6043Asp.gif http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/Pressure_Model_6043A60.htm Incidentally, the cost of these things is unknown, although I'm sure you could find out. There does seem to be one source of a 6061b from a lab surplus place. For reference, if anyone REALLY wants one, it seems that it can be had with an amplifier for $199. http://www.murphyjunk.bizland.com/id34.html (search on the page for 6061b) ---- While these above transducers are all well and good, their integration into a normal automotive engine would be difficult at best. It seems Kistler has already developed a solution to this problem in the form of a spark plug with the pressure transducer integrated into it! This is a drop-in replacement for most engines, as long as the spark plug specs are close enough. http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/images/6115A.gif http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/Pressure_Model_6115A.htm http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/images/6117B.gif http://www.intertechnology.com/Kistler/Pressure_Model_6117B.htm If anyone finds out how much these little beasties costs, please add it to the wikipage. :) I called kistler here in the Netherlands. The one with the sparklug 6115A cost around 2800 euro. The 6043A60 cost around 2600 euro, too bad. Q.Straker ---- More information can be found in the links below: http://www.imrt.ethz.ch/research/projects/_oldLms/MM_sk.pdf http://www.fiberdynamics.com/pdf/sensors0398.pdf http://powerlab.mech.okayama-u.ac.jp/~esd/comodia2001/2-20.pdf http://www.kistler.ch/web/docs.nsf/urlnames/ws_prospectuses038_en/$file/65.201e.pdf http://www-mat.ee.tu-berlin.de/files/research/sic_sens/sic_sen3.htm http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jus/0303/kuo.pdf http://www.elringklinger.de/pages_e/xframe_e/xf_e_home.html?main=/pages_e/e_presse_tech/e_article_0401_mtz.html ---- '''Compression and leak-down testers''' One can find useful information about his engine with these methods. [http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml How to build a leak-down tester] [http://www.jegs.com/instructions/555/555-80520.pdf Instructions how to use a leak down tester] Optional: Add document to category: Wiki formatting: * is Bullet list ** Bullet list subentry ... '''Bold''', ---- is horizontal ruler, <code> preformatted text... </code> See wiki editing HELP for tables and other formatting tips and tricks.